Nature is good and pure and gentle. (Now, don't tell me about lions eating gazelles. That's good and gentle too, silly.) It is eeeevil man that destroys the environment, makes plastics, and cuts down the
So where DID this evil greed come from that destroys the environment? How did the purity of the native peoples get twisted into something so horrible that we now do wretched things like drive SUVs? Didn't we learn our greed from somebody? But from whom ... because we're born all nicey-nice and only learn to be bad from being taught to be bad? So who was the first Bad One?
I think your characterization of liberals is groundless and absurd. First, all liberals who are intelligent will concede that there are people who are born "bad", who are born with sadistic tendencies, who are born with lower IQs, etc. This is biology. However, I think it is very ignorant of you to believe that being born in poverty, in violent households, in violent neighborhoods, etc. will not affect a person's psyche. All educated people know someone's culture, family, world view all contribute to how that person functions in the world.
ReplyDeleteSecond, if your last two paragraphs formed a cohesive, logical argument I would be able to respond more effectively. But with what I have to work with here, it seems as if you believe original sin causes all of humanity's problems (this is beside the point that a supposedly perfect god would not create original sin in the first place). You believe that if one thinks that one can be caused to be bad then there must be a first bad cause. But you back yourself into a corner here because many Christians believe the first bad causer to be an evil deity, the devil, so a liberal (if he or she is a theist) could turn around and say its the devil thats the first bad cause. Or god causing original sin could be the first cause of evil. Your pick.
But I don't believe that this is a worthwhile argument. Why all this talk about causes if, like you say, it's in human nature to be bad?
I also see that you really don't care much about environmental issues. Oh well, if you don't want your grandchildren to ever see a polar bear (or have clean water to drink, or have smogless air to breathe, and so on), that's your prerogative.
1. "it seems as if you believe original sin causes all of humanity's problems"
ReplyDeleteBINGO.
2. "very ignorant of you to believe that being born in poverty, in violent households, in violent neighborhoods, etc. will not affect a person's psyche."
I did not say that those things didn't affect a person's psyche. I said they're not the only things that affect a person.
3. Didn't I tell you several months ago that you need to sign your name? I don't feel like deleting your post yet (partially because your post helps prove my point), but don't be surprised if it disappears into cyberspace soon.
Doesn't matter if it disappears or not. You obviously missed my point, no matter what one Christian says another Christian will use scripture in another way in order to prove their answer correct. In the end, it's meaningless.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore ...
1. My point stands that you do have a very skewed view of liberals. And environmental issues to boot.
2. Original sin is, well, baseless. If there really is a god and he's perfect and wonderful and such, why make evil people who do evil things to each other? No one has been able to answer that question successfully and I know how they've tried for centuries.